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https://doi.org/10.5194/ar-3-619-2025
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The evolution of carbon oxidation state during secondary organic aerosol formation from individual and mixed organic precursors
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The paper summarizes average carbon oxidation states of SOA formed from photooxidation of single and mixture VOCs (o-cresol, a-pinene, and isoprene) in the presence of NOx. SOA were sampled online by HR-ToF-AMS and FiGAERO-I-CIMS and offline by HPLC-MS to determine the average oxidation state of carbon. Results from different experiments and instruments were then compared to investigate how the chemistry of SOA formation is influenced by the presence of another precursor. There are two other papers from the group which apparently have highlighted already what the common and unique SOA products are in these systems. I therefore don't know what the value of this paper is in addition to the more robust identified products in their previous work. As the authors highlight, HR-ToF-AMS cannot provide an accurate estimate of the average OSc since it cannot determine the N-content of aerosols well. FIGAERO and HPLC-MS are each sensitive to certain classes of compounds and so don't provide a complete picture of the oxidation products either. That said, I think there is value in comparing results from one instrument across the single/mixture systems to say something about the differences in chemistry. I therefore believe the manuscript can eventually be published, but it needs major revisions in my opinion. As is, there are simple conclusions that are hidden in the paper and lost in the mere numeric comparisons presented in Sections 3 and 4. Please see below my comments:
General comments:
Experimental section: The experimental section early on should mention that NOx was adjusted to keep the VOC/NOx ratio the same. What’s the predicted average OH in the expts?
Sections 3.1-3.3 read as sentences comparing average OSc estimates from one condition/instrument to the next and is not that valuable as written. For example, I didn’t get a sense of what to think about the different estimates or sometimes opposing trends in the estimates from the positive vs. negative ion modes of HPLC-MS. I think for this section to be useful, the data need to be better synthesized and a summary presented in a way different than just comparing pairs of average OSc values.
Section 4: I was hoping this section contains a more synthesized look at the data, but it’s a summarized set of comparisons again (without actually mentioning all the OSc values) and the discussion is more on limitations of the instruments (or preferential detection of certain compounds) rather than actual chemistry
Since there is evidence for nitrogen-containing ions to be formed in these systems and OS of nitrogen has a significant impact on the estimated average OSc, I don’t see the value in comparing OSc when OS of nitrogen is ignored, so in my mind, the data from HR-ToF-AMS should not be included in the paper and any other reference to average OSc disregarding OS of nitrogen should be removed.
Specific comments:
P3, L63: add some reference for recent research on multi-VOC systems
P3, L29-71: consider breaking this sentence to multiple or rephrase it for ease of readability
L 264: C in DeCarlo should be capitalized
L 265 Reference to Sueper doesn’t need the first name initial
L294: how long was sonication done?
L299: evaporation to dryness was carried out at a much warmer temperature than room. What’s the potential impact in driving off some of the more volatile SOA components?
L499: change significantly to significant
L639: remove either “in” or “for”
L770: delete “which”
L833: what do you mean by “at a higher magnitude”?
L928: delete “be”
L962 and 949: there are two contradictory statements on the average OSc of the mixture in these two statements